{"id":705,"date":"2021-10-12T19:10:42","date_gmt":"2021-10-12T23:10:42","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/abdullahsameer.com\/podcast\/?p=705"},"modified":"2021-10-12T19:10:43","modified_gmt":"2021-10-12T23:10:43","slug":"109-epileptic-prophet-part-3-farid-and-his-cousin-destroyed","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/friendlyexmuslim.com\/podcast\/109-epileptic-prophet-part-3-farid-and-his-cousin-destroyed\/","title":{"rendered":"109 &#8211; EPILEPTIC PROPHET PART 3 | FARID AND HIS COUSIN DESTROYED"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>This is the third installment of our series \u201cThe Epileptic Prophet\u2019, Abdullah Gondal and I continued where we left off last time. In this series, we tackle the question of Prophet Muhammad\u2019s neurological problems and possible epilepsy.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>For this episode, we started off by giving a quick recap of the previous two episodes of this series. We went through Dr. Abbas\u2019s explanation of Muhammad\u2019s convulsions, some videos of contemporary epilepsy patients having convulsions and then we compared their symptoms to what is reported in the hadith corpus as Muhammad\u2019s condition while receiving revelation.\u00a0<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p> We also responded to Farid and his cousin\u2019s ill-informed assertion that Muhammad did not experience secondary generalization. We presented various accounts(both from Islamic Scholars and secular scholars) that reported Muhammad as having secondary generalizations.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The conversation then moved on to more symptoms experienced by Muhammad while receiving revelation. These include severe trembling, teeth clattering\/ grinding teeth, convulsions and fainting, snotting like a camel, headaches, and head twitching. We also discussed how Muhammad\u2019s friends wrongly attributed these symptoms to the heaviness of the revelation. We also presented more footage of modern-day epilepsy patients having seizures and drew parallels between them and Muhammad.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>This was such a heavily researched and detailed presentation, I hope you enjoy it.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>YouTube version of this podcast:<a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/fD4FyXSN96k\"> https:\/\/youtu.be\/fD4FyXSN96k<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Part 1: <a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/WlO4nZUGVf4\">https:\/\/youtu.be\/WlO4nZUGVf4<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><br>Part 2: <a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/ZI16w6Sl3DE\">https:\/\/youtu.be\/ZI16w6Sl3DE<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Support the Two Abdullahs here: <a href=\"https:\/\/abdullahsameer.com\/two-abdullahs\">https:\/\/abdullahsameer.com\/two-abdullahs<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Timestamps: <\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>0:00 Introductions and a quick recap of parts 1 &amp; 2 of the series<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>1:34 Convulsions of Muhammad &#8211; Dr. Abbas explains seizures<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>4:40 \u2018Burahaa\u2019 of revelation \/ paroxysm<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>6:24 Generalized seizures &#8211; Epilepsy patients having seizures<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>11:15 Where are the secondary generalization? &#8211; Refuting Farid and cousin<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>16:56 Khasais -Al Kubra &#8211; Arabic V Urdu : heavy thigh?, severe convulsions.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>21:20 Burhan Quran &#8211; fits of revelation<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>25:50 Comments from the chat&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>28:46 How do we determine the authenticity of the hadith corpus?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>31:40 Muhammad\u2019s seizure symptoms\/ convulsions and trembling during revelation (continued)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>46:30 Abdullah Gondal\u2019s thoughts on the evidence from the hadith and Islamic literature on Muhammad\u2019s epilepsy.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>48:55 Muhammad trembling while receiving revelation<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>58:00 Comments from the chat<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>1:06:50 Did Muhammad clatter his teeth? &#8211; responding to Farid and his cousin<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>1:15:08 Muhammad\u2019s fainting problem &#8211; Music caused Muhammad to faint? Muhammad fainting during the revelation<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>1:23:27 Michael, an epilepsy patient, slept with his son\u2019s wife.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>1:27:03 Muhammad fainting and swooning while receiving revelation(continued)<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>1:33:05 Dr. Ali Sina explains camel incident<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>1:34:30 Muhammad\u2019s fainting spells (continued).&nbsp; Is it possible that Muhammad died from a stroke? &#8211; Dr. Abbas explains<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>1:41:18 Did Muhammad suffer from lethargy and fatigue after receiving revelations? &#8211; Response to Farid et al.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>1:49:55 Revelation was a draining experience &#8211; explained by Dr. Yasir Qadhi.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>1:51:22 Muhammad foaming and salivating during seizures.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>1:56:36 headaches, head twitches, and head-turning<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>2:11:51 Patients experiencing seizures<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>2:19:30 What to expect in the upcoming episodes<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>2:20:52 Comments from the chat and final remarks.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>List of Resources Used: <\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<ol class=\"wp-block-list\"><li>Muhammad\u2019s beard trembling &#8211; Sahih Muslim 2104 a., The perfect guide to the science of the Quran p64, Tafsir Al Qurtubi,\u00a0<\/li><\/ol>\n\n\n\n<p>2. Muhammad clattering his teeth &#8211; Itqan Fil Quran, Itqan Fil Uloom Ul Quran &#8211; Suyuti,\u00a0<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>3. Clattering teeth + lethargy &#8211; Musnadi Aisha\u00a0 (Ibn Saad), Asbab Ul Nuzul Wahidi<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>4. Was budding sound rhythm &#8211; <a href=\"https:\/\/onlinelibrary.wiley.com\/doi\/full\/10.1046\/j.1528-1157.2002.48501.x\">https:\/\/onlinelibrary.wiley.com\/doi\/full\/10.1046\/j.1528-1157.2002.48501.x<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>5. Was Muhammad grinding his teeth? &#8211; <a href=\"https:\/\/moh-it.pure.elsevier.com\/en\/publications\/bruxism-in-wakefulness-as-predominant-ictal-symptom-in-a-patient-\">https:\/\/moh-it.pure.elsevier.com\/en\/publications\/bruxism-in-wakefulness-as-predominant-ictal-symptom-in-a-patient-<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>6. <a href=\"https:\/\/www.aafp.org\/afp\/2007\/0501\/p1348.html#:~:text=If%20you%20have%20problems%20in,people%20feel%20sleepy%20or%20confused.\">https:\/\/www.aafp.org\/afp\/2007\/0501\/p1348.html#:~:text=If%20you%20have%20problems%20in,people%20feel%20sleepy%20or%20confused.<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>7. Muhammad Fainting: Sahih Al- Bukhari 3829 bk 63 hadith 54, Sahih Muslim 360a bk3 hadith 93, Bihar ul Unwar Vol 18 p241 -253<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ol class=\"wp-block-list\" start=\"8\"><li>Music caused Muhammad\u2019s faintings? &#8211; The life of Muhammad p81, Ibn Qayim &#8211; tafsir Muwazatayn, Tafsir Jalalalyn, Khasais al Kubra &#8211; Suyuti, Majma az Zawaid, Sahih Muslim 400a bk4 hadith 56<\/li><li>Muhammad fainting multiple times a day &#8211; Sahih Bukhari 687 bk10 hadith 81, Sahih Darussalum\u00a0 bk5 hadith 432<\/li><li>Muhammad swooning and fainting &#8211; Seerat Halbiya, The life of Muhammad p54\u00a0 &#8211; 55 &#8211; Tabari, Sahih Al-Bukhari 3995 bk 64 hadith 46 and 4041 bk 64 hadith 88<\/li><li>Muhammad fainted before death? swooning in Hira &#8211; Tarikh Ibn Kathir<\/li><li>Muhammad fainting during prayer &#8211; Jami at-Tirmidhi 3235 bk47 hadith 287, 3234 bk47 hadith 286, Mishkat al-Masabih 725 bk4 hadith 154<\/li><li>Muhammad\u2019s lethargy after receiving revelation &#8211; Sunan Abi Dawud 1819 bk 11 hadith 99, Ibn Saad Vol 1 parts 1.47.2, Ibn Saad Tabqaat Kubra, Musnad Ahmad , Musnad Aisha, Tafsir al Tabari, Tarik Muluk Wal Imam Ibn Jawzi<\/li><li>Frothing on the sides of the mouth &#8211; Lanes lexicon p1209, Sunan al-Kubra Bayhaiqi, Al Akleel Suyuti, Abi Sarhan Masoud bin Muhammad, Tafsir Ibn Kathir, Mizan Ul Haq p121, Ibn Hamza &#8211; Ibrahim bin Muhammad,\u00a0<\/li><li>Muhammad\u2019s head twitching, foaming, teeth clattering &#8211; The perfect guide to the sciences of the Quran p104<\/li><li>Headaches &#8211; Seerah Ibn Kathir, The life of the Prophet Muhammad p308, Itqan Fi Uloom ul Quran<\/li><li>Migraines and epilepsy &#8211; Sahih al-Bukhari 5698 bk76\u00a0 hadith 20, 1836 bk 28 hadith 16, Which lie Within Prophetic Guidance p561, Angel Nelson &#8211;\u00a0 Migraines and epilepsy: Is there a link?<\/li><li>Headaches &#8211; Seerat Halbiya<\/li><li>Head-turning and seizures &#8211; Ibn Kathir p124 -125, Asbab al-Nazul by al-Wahidi, TABQAAT IBN SAAD Vol 1 parts 1.42.14, HUJJAT UL ALAMEEN FIL MUJAZAT MURSALEEN<\/li><\/ol>\n\n\n\n<p>P.S Some of the resources are listed in part 1 and part 2 of the series.<\/p>\n<div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_9055\"><!--[if lt IE 9]><script>document.createElement('audio');<\/script><![endif]-->\n<audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-705-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"https:\/\/podcast.abdullahsameer.com\/episodes\/109-Epileptic_Prophet_Part_3.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"https:\/\/podcast.abdullahsameer.com\/episodes\/109-Epileptic_Prophet_Part_3.mp3\">https:\/\/podcast.abdullahsameer.com\/episodes\/109-Epileptic_Prophet_Part_3.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"https:\/\/podcast.abdullahsameer.com\/episodes\/109-Epileptic_Prophet_Part_3.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/friendlyexmuslim.com\/podcast\/?powerpress_pinw=705-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/podcast.abdullahsameer.com\/episodes\/109-Epileptic_Prophet_Part_3.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"109-Epileptic_Prophet_Part_3.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/friendlyexmuslim.com\/podcast\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/friendlyexmuslim.com\/podcast\/list\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_more\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"More\" rel=\"nofollow\">More<\/a><\/p>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>This is the third installment of our series \u201cThe Epileptic Prophet\u2019, Abdullah Gondal and I continued where we left off last time. 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