{"id":690,"date":"2021-10-05T05:18:00","date_gmt":"2021-10-05T09:18:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/abdullahsameer.com\/podcast\/?p=690"},"modified":"2021-10-05T05:38:39","modified_gmt":"2021-10-05T09:38:39","slug":"106-epileptic-prophet-part-2-with-abdullah-gondal-and-dr-ali-rizvi","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/friendlyexmuslim.com\/podcast\/106-epileptic-prophet-part-2-with-abdullah-gondal-and-dr-ali-rizvi\/","title":{"rendered":"106 &#8211; EPILEPTIC PROPHET PART 2 WITH ABDULLAH GONDAL AND DR ALI RIZVI"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>This episode is the second installment in the series \u2018The Epileptic Prophet\u2019 in which we discuss Muhammad\u2019s neurological condition and possible epilepsy. We were joined by Dr. Ali A. Rizvi to help us with his take on this topic based on his experience as a medical doctor specializing in pathology.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>We kicked off the discussion by giving a quick recap of the first episode in this series. We then move moved on to talk about Muhammad\u2019s postictal psychosis symptoms while he was receiving revelation. We then compared the descriptions of Muhammad\u2019s condition in the Islamic literature to the symptoms of contemporary epilepsy patients. Additionally, we listened in on an interview by Dr. Dede Korkut in which he explains psychosis and behavioral changes in epilepsy patients.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The conversation then moved on to how Islamic scholars and the Muslim population in general attribute epilepsy to jinn possession. We went through various hadith, Quranic verses, and other Islamic literature that support this idea. We also responded to Farid\u2019s assertion that people around Muhammad did not notice or record any accounts of Muhammad having seizure-like symptoms or epilepsy. We presented numerous Quranic verses and hadith in which people thought that Muhammad was crazy, mad, or jinn possessed.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Finally, we discussed Muhammad\u2019s conditions while receiving revelation. We talked about Muhammad\u2019s auditory hallucinations, his convulsive seizures, and his paroxysm. To support our claims we went through a vast number of Quranic verses, Seerah, Hadith, and tafsir and we compared them to the books on Muhammad written by neuroscience experts. A full list of resources referenced in this presentation can be found on the link in the description below.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I urge you to take a listen and also to check out the sources we used.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Epileptic Prophet Part 1:<a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/WlO4nZUGVf4\"> https:\/\/youtu.be\/WlO4nZUGVf4 <\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>YouTube version of this episode: <a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/ZI16w6Sl3DE\">https:\/\/youtu.be\/ZI16w6Sl3DE<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Support the show at <a href=\"https:\/\/abdullahsameer.com\/two-abdullahs\">https:\/\/abdullahsameer.com\/two-abdullahs<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Follow Abdullah Gondal on FB at <a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/profile.php?id=100006615126777\">https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/profile.php?id=100006615126777<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>Timestamps:<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>0:00 Introduction<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>1:42 A quick recap of part 1<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>5:07 Post Ictal psychosis of Muhammad<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>12:48 Pyschosis and behavioral changes &#8211; Dr. Dede<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>17:33 Delusions and how they are directly linked to trauma genies Mairaj &#8211; Dr. Abbas.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>21:10 Muslim scholars\u2019 opinion on the causes of epilepsy &#8211; Jinns causing epilepsy?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>26:43 Responding to Farid &#8211; The black woman was possessed by jins.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>33:07 The Shaman healer &#8211; Meccans offered medical help<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>35:00 Did people around Muhammad notice any seizures? &#8211; Responding to Farid\u2019s claims.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>44:16 Ringing bells aura &#8211; an explanation by Dr. Abbas.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>46:25 Channel announcements<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>46:45 Ringing, buzzing auditory hallucinations.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>50:21 Epilepsy patient describing her personal experiences with ringing bells aura<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>52:52 Hearing bells and seeing humanoid figures &#8211; Dr. Dede<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>56:35 Farid and ringing bells &#8211; secondary generalizations<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>1:01:46 Islamic Scholar\u2019s explanation of Muhammad\u2019s symptoms after hallucinations<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>1:03:25 Dr. Matthew Wood\u2019s take on the epilepsy of Muhammad.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>1:08:31 Comments from the live chat.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>1:13:24 Dr. Abbas explaining seizures<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>1:16:18 \u2018BURAHAA\u2019 of revelation<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>1:17:40&nbsp; Generalized seizures.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>1:22:43 Where are the secondary generalization? &#8211; Responding to Farid.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>1:31:18 Comments from the live chat<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>1:35:13 Introducing Ali Rizvi&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>1:37:28 Dr. Ali Rizvi &#8211; symptoms of epilepsy&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>1:42:00 Is it possible to do a posthumous diagnosis for epilepsy?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>1:47:30 Is it possible that trauma contributed immensely to Muhammad\u2019s possible epilepsy?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>1:52:22 Feverish trembling &#8211; Seerah Ibn Kathir. Anxiety and anxiety disorder.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>1:57:36 Muhammad\u2019s psychosis during the first revelation<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>1:58:42 Muhammad trembling and red face<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>2:00:28 Kitab Al Maghazi &#8211; Muhammad having convulsions before revelations<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>2:02:27 Muhammad\u2019s condition during revelations &#8211; Trembling, shivering<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>2:21:00 Karl Pfander &#8211; Muhammad\u2019s conditions\/symptoms when receiving revelations.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>2:23:54 Comments from the chat. Near-death experiences. Brain damages and possible effects.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>2:33:06&nbsp; Convenient prophecies &#8211; Muhammad\u2019s marriage to Zayd\u2019\u2019s ex-wife<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>2:40:26 Muhammad symptoms during revelations &#8211; hadith<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>2:52:57 Final remarks and What to expect in the next episode<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>List of Sources referenced in the episode:<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Post Ictal psychosis of Muhammad &#8211; <a href=\"https:\/\/www.epilepsy.com\/learn\/challenges-epilepsy\/moods-and-behavior\/mood-and-behavior-101\/psychmairaosis\">https:\/\/www.epilepsy.com\/learn\/challenges-epilepsy\/moods-and-behavior\/mood-and-behavior-101\/psychmairaosis<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Psychosis and behavioral changes &#8211; <a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Life-Alert-Medical-Case-Muhammad\/dp\/1579213340\/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&amp;keywords=Life+Alert%3A+The+medical+case+of+Muhammad&amp;qid=1632592195&amp;s=books&amp;sr=1-1\">Life Alert: The Medical Case of Muhammad<\/a> by Dr. Dede Korkut<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Video &#8211; Delusions, trauma, genies mairaj<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Do Jinns cause epilepsy? &#8211; The Jinn and Human Sickness Remedies in the Light of the Qur\u2019aan and Sunnah, Dr. AbuTMundhir Khaleel ibn Ibraaheem Ameen, Foreword by Waheed ibn &#8216;Abdus Salaam Baali, Translated by Nasiruddin Al-Khattab, Edited by Dr. Abdul Ahaa (Alig.) p51-52<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Do Jinns cause epilepsy? &#8211; <a href=\"https:\/\/www.sciencedirect.com\/science\/article\/pii\/S1059131112000040\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">https:\/\/www.sciencedirect.com\/science\/article\/pii\/S1059131112000040<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The black woman with epilepsy &#8211; <a href=\"https:\/\/islamqa.info\/en\/answers\/9117\/is-epilepsy-caused-by-the-jinn\">https:\/\/islamqa.info\/en\/answers\/9117\/is-epilepsy-caused-by-the-jinn<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The Shaman healer &#8211; Meccans offered medical help: Sahih Muslim bk7 hadith 58, Ibn Ishaq p186<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Muhammad was crazy, mad, and Jinn possessed? &#8211; Quran 21\/5, 15\/6, 69\/41 &#8211; 42, 37\/36, 68\/51, 34\/46, 52\/29<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Why was Muhammad called crazy by the Meccans? -Imam Raazi tafsir 15:6 &amp; 7:184<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Ringing and buzzing auditory hallucinations &#8211; <a href=\"https:\/\/medlineplus.gov\/genetics\/condition\/autosomal-dominant-partial-epilepsy-with-auditory-features\/\">https:\/\/medlineplus.gov\/genetics\/condition\/autosomal-dominant-partial-epilepsy-with-auditory-features\/<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Convulsive seizures and ears &#8211; Carl Stamm <a href=\"https:\/\/www.karger.com\/Article\/Abstract\/105899\">https:\/\/www.karger.com\/Article\/Abstract\/105899<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Muhammad hears ringing bells \u201c&#8230;hardest upon me \u2026\u201d &#8211;&nbsp; Sahih Buk43 khari 3215 bk59 hadith 26, Sunan an-Nasai 933 bk11 hadith 58, Sahih Bukhari 2 bk1 hadith 2, Sahih Muslim 2333b hadith 117<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Hearing bells and seeing humanoid figures &#8211; <a href=\"https:\/\/www.amazon.com\/Life-Alert-Medical-Case-Muhammad\/dp\/1579213340\/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&amp;keywords=Life+Alert%3A+The+medical+case+of+Muhammad&amp;qid=1632592195&amp;s=books&amp;sr=1-1\">Life Alert: The Medical Case of Muhammad<\/a> by Dr. Dede Korkut<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Muhammad would shiver like a fever after ringing bells sound &#8211; AL-MUFHIM LIMA ASHKALA MIN TALKHIS MUSLIM<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Dr. Matthew Woods describes the epilepsy of Muhammad &#8211; Mohammad in spite of epilepsy p69, 81 &#8211; 83<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\u2018Burahaa\u2019 of revelations &#8211; Lane&#8217;s lexicon<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Muhammad would be seized by convulsions\/trembling and sweating like pearls &#8211; Khasais al Kubra<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Burhan al Quran &#8211; the first revelation<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The intense distress\/pangs of a revelation: Itqan Fi Uloom Ul Quran &#8211; Suyuti<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Muhammad being seized by severe trembling\/convulsions: Muajam al Awsat &#8211; Tabrani &#8211; Sahih<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Muhammad being seized by severe trembling\/convulsions: Nubuwwat Muhammad Fi al Quran&nbsp; page 196<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Paroxysm &#8211; Tafsir Ayyashi 12:110<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Feverish trembling during revelations &#8211; Seerah Ibn Kathir p285<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Severe fits of revelation &#8211; Hashia Qunooni<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Trembling and red face: Tafsir Shinqeeti<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Kitab al Maghazi &#8211; translated by Rizwi &#8211; Amal Ismail &#8211; Abdul Kader Tayob p161<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Severe trembling and great pain during the revelation: Muhammad &#8211; Prophet of God by Daniel Peterson<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Muhammad being seized by trembling &#8211; Dar Manshoor<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Muhammad being seized by trembling &#8211; Hashiya Muhiyuddin Shaykh<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Hashiya Saawi &#8211; Tafsir Jalalayn: Muhammad being overtaken by trembling<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Muhammad being gripped by trembling &#8211; Ibn Abdil -Bab Fi Uloom Ul Quran<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Muhammad shivering upon revelation &#8211; Ibn Adil<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Being by trembling &#8211; Kiab Aya ib al Majluqat &#8211; Damiri<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Muhammad\u2019s beard trembling whenever he received the revelation: Kitab Hayat al Hayawan al Kubra &#8211; Damiri, Tafsir Al Qurtubi<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Receiving the revelation was extremely stressful &#8211; Kitab al Maghazi<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Muhammad\u2019s seizure symptoms while receiving the revelation &#8211; Mizan Ul Haq &#8211; Karl Pfander p121<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Muhammad\u2019s severe shaking &#8211; Muajam Al Kabir -Tabrani<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Muhammad\u2019s seizure symptoms while receiving the revelation &#8211; Seerat Halbiya<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Muhammad\u2019s seizure symptoms while receiving the revelation &#8211; Tafsir Fath al Qadeer &#8211; Shawkani<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Muhammad being seized by trembling &#8211; Tafseer Al Muneer, Tafseer Al Aloosi, Tafsir Fatah Bayan &#8211; Sideeq Hassan Khan, Tafsir Al Qurtubi, Bidayah Wan Nihaya &#8211; Ibn Kathir,&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The usual convulsions &#8211; Life of Muhammad Haykal p362<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Muhammad\u2019s suffering and anguish during the coming down of revelation &#8211; Sharh Nisai<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n<div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_1900\"><!--[if lt IE 9]><script>document.createElement('audio');<\/script><![endif]-->\n<audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-690-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"http:\/\/podcast.abdullahsameer.com\/episodes\/106-Epileptic_Prophet_Part_2.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/podcast.abdullahsameer.com\/episodes\/106-Epileptic_Prophet_Part_2.mp3\">http:\/\/podcast.abdullahsameer.com\/episodes\/106-Epileptic_Prophet_Part_2.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"http:\/\/podcast.abdullahsameer.com\/episodes\/106-Epileptic_Prophet_Part_2.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/friendlyexmuslim.com\/podcast\/?powerpress_pinw=690-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/podcast.abdullahsameer.com\/episodes\/106-Epileptic_Prophet_Part_2.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"106-Epileptic_Prophet_Part_2.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/friendlyexmuslim.com\/podcast\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/friendlyexmuslim.com\/podcast\/list\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_more\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"More\" rel=\"nofollow\">More<\/a><\/p>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>This episode is the second installment in the series \u2018The Epileptic Prophet\u2019 in which we discuss Muhammad\u2019s neurological condition and possible epilepsy. 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