{"id":191,"date":"2020-07-20T09:58:44","date_gmt":"2020-07-20T13:58:44","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/abdullahsameer.com\/podcast\/?p=191"},"modified":"2021-07-12T17:32:41","modified_gmt":"2021-07-12T21:32:41","slug":"044-interview-with-ex-evangelist-marie-delephant","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/friendlyexmuslim.com\/podcast\/044-interview-with-ex-evangelist-marie-delephant\/","title":{"rendered":"044 &#8211; Interview with Ex-Evangelist Marie D&#8217;Elephant"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>Marie was raised in an evangelical household in Minnesota, USA. She began to have doubts at the age of 13 but didn&#8217;t pursue her doubts. She doubled down, again and again, to prove herself to god, resulting in her serving as an evangelical missionary in Mexico for two years with Youth With a Mission. After leaving Mexico, she began a gradual deconstruction and departure from her faith. Her life after that shift has not been easy.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The YouTube version of this podcast can be found here: <a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/aTmOPL0Va2s\">https:\/\/youtu.be\/aTmOPL0Va2s<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Here are the timestamps for the podcast:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>0:00 Introductions.<br>1:24 Marie&#8217;s religious background.<br>5:52 How Marie ended up having doubts despite living in a \u201creligious bubble\u201d.<br>8:18 Scientific explanation for skepticism.<br>12:14 Transactional\/ incentivized charity work and other religious deeds by religious organizations. Is there Altruism?<br>18:48 Doubting. Being an atheist at seminary and mission.<br>24:50 Treatment of women by fundamentalist regions. Purity culture.<br>34:00 Parallels between Christian version of purity culture and Islamic version. Social skills.<br>39:20 Arranged marriages. Priorities for choosing a partner. Attractions between partners.<br>47:00 Homosexuality, Religious morality, and its main objectives<br>50:11 Objectivity and the need to be agnostic on many topics.<br>54:04 Apathy for this life because we are promised the next life and believing God will take care of our problems.<br>55:52 Is America a white supremacist country? Systemic racism in America.<br>58:40 Abdullah&#8217;s perspective on racism in the west and the treatment of native Canadians.<br>1:09:40 The gun problem in America.<br>1:14:50 Channel announcements.<br>1:16:33 Marie&#8217;s podcast and other social media handles.<br>1:19:25 The need to train de-escalation tactics (Police violence)<br>1:20:00 Segregation. Are white people inherently evil? Hiring quotas.<br>1:28:20 Framing in the racism discussion. What does racism mean? is a person racist or just has racist tendencies?<br>1:37:10 Marie and Abdullah&#8217;s closing remarks.<\/p>\n<div class=\"powerpress_player\" id=\"powerpress_player_9781\"><!--[if lt IE 9]><script>document.createElement('audio');<\/script><![endif]-->\n<audio class=\"wp-audio-shortcode\" id=\"audio-191-1\" preload=\"none\" style=\"width: 100%;\" controls=\"controls\"><source type=\"audio\/mpeg\" src=\"http:\/\/podcast.abdullahsameer.com\/episodes\/044-Interview_with_Ex-Evangelist_Marie_DElephant.mp3?_=1\" \/><a href=\"http:\/\/podcast.abdullahsameer.com\/episodes\/044-Interview_with_Ex-Evangelist_Marie_DElephant.mp3\">http:\/\/podcast.abdullahsameer.com\/episodes\/044-Interview_with_Ex-Evangelist_Marie_DElephant.mp3<\/a><\/audio><\/div><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_links_mp3\" style=\"margin-bottom: 1px !important;\">Podcast: <a href=\"http:\/\/podcast.abdullahsameer.com\/episodes\/044-Interview_with_Ex-Evangelist_Marie_DElephant.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_pinw\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Play in new window\" onclick=\"return powerpress_pinw('https:\/\/friendlyexmuslim.com\/podcast\/?powerpress_pinw=191-podcast');\" rel=\"nofollow\">Play in new window<\/a> | <a href=\"http:\/\/podcast.abdullahsameer.com\/episodes\/044-Interview_with_Ex-Evangelist_Marie_DElephant.mp3\" class=\"powerpress_link_d\" title=\"Download\" rel=\"nofollow\" download=\"044-Interview_with_Ex-Evangelist_Marie_DElephant.mp3\">Download<\/a><\/p><p class=\"powerpress_links powerpress_subscribe_links\">Subscribe: <a href=\"https:\/\/friendlyexmuslim.com\/podcast\/feed\/podcast\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_rss\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"Subscribe via RSS\" rel=\"nofollow\">RSS<\/a> | <a href=\"https:\/\/friendlyexmuslim.com\/podcast\/list\/\" class=\"powerpress_link_subscribe powerpress_link_subscribe_more\" target=\"_blank\" title=\"More\" rel=\"nofollow\">More<\/a><\/p>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Marie was raised in an evangelical household in Minnesota, USA. 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